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		<title>By: Alex Salkever</title>
		<link>http://www.chriskenton.com/2008/10/the-natural-selection-of-a-market-recession.html/comment-page-1#comment-1079</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Salkever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An incestuous comment here. I agree with most of what you are saying. I am unclear on what the exact role of marketing executives will be after this brushfire. They will exist. But with Current.tv cutting the advertising agencies out of the loop, as an example, and other forms of marketing now taking more organic shapes that bubble up rather than pour down from the top, I think it will take a fundamental shift in awareness that marketing is no longer about push but more about empowerment and enabling advocates and the public to shape your marketing message with light interference. Advertising will become much more like content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An incestuous comment here. I agree with most of what you are saying. I am unclear on what the exact role of marketing executives will be after this brushfire. They will exist. But with Current.tv cutting the advertising agencies out of the loop, as an example, and other forms of marketing now taking more organic shapes that bubble up rather than pour down from the top, I think it will take a fundamental shift in awareness that marketing is no longer about push but more about empowerment and enabling advocates and the public to shape your marketing message with light interference. Advertising will become much more like content.</p>
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		<title>By: Marketing Trends: Public Relations Budgets Going Social &#124; ChrisKenton.com</title>
		<link>http://www.chriskenton.com/2008/10/the-natural-selection-of-a-market-recession.html/comment-page-1#comment-1072</link>
		<dc:creator>Marketing Trends: Public Relations Budgets Going Social &#124; ChrisKenton.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So how can I account for the uptick in energy despite the gloomy market? I&#8217;m starting to see my theory about natural selection play [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So how can I account for the uptick in energy despite the gloomy market? I&#8217;m starting to see my theory about natural selection play [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Back To Basics - The 3 Legged Stool &#124; SocialMedia404</title>
		<link>http://www.chriskenton.com/2008/10/the-natural-selection-of-a-market-recession.html/comment-page-1#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator>Back To Basics - The 3 Legged Stool &#124; SocialMedia404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Peter Kim, that demonstrates a discussion I was having with Chris Kenton last week via email and on his blog. Peter has changed the way he uses Twitter. How? He follows an enormous amount of people now, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Peter Kim, that demonstrates a discussion I was having with Chris Kenton last week via email and on his blog. Peter has changed the way he uses Twitter. How? He follows an enormous amount of people now, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan! I&#039;m wounded. Overly long? But I put in pictures and drop caps and stuff to break up the flow! :) 

Thanks for posting. I wonder about the bailout as well. But using another metaphor, if you&#039;re too aggressive with the chemo, you wind up killing the patient. It all just goes to show how little we actually know about managing our economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan! I&#8217;m wounded. Overly long? But I put in pictures and drop caps and stuff to break up the flow! <img src='http://www.chriskenton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Thanks for posting. I wonder about the bailout as well. But using another metaphor, if you&#8217;re too aggressive with the chemo, you wind up killing the patient. It all just goes to show how little we actually know about managing our economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well written, if overly long, post about the current economic environment.  Your mention of forest fires got me thinking if indeed the bailout package is an attempt to put out a forest fire that we ought to let burn so that the ground can be more fertile for future trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well written, if overly long, post about the current economic environment.  Your mention of forest fires got me thinking if indeed the bailout package is an attempt to put out a forest fire that we ought to let burn so that the ground can be more fertile for future trees.</p>
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		<title>By: Dot Com Crash the 2nd? &#171; Jax Rant [ wonderings on the web ]</title>
		<link>http://www.chriskenton.com/2008/10/the-natural-selection-of-a-market-recession.html/comment-page-1#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot Com Crash the 2nd? &#171; Jax Rant [ wonderings on the web ]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kenton has written an interesting piece titled, The Natural Selection of a Market Recession on the looming recession. He labels the economic meltdown &#8220;transformational chaos&#8220;, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Four Social Media Questions You Must Answer During Economic Downturn</title>
		<link>http://www.chriskenton.com/2008/10/the-natural-selection-of-a-market-recession.html/comment-page-1#comment-1027</link>
		<dc:creator>The Four Social Media Questions You Must Answer During Economic Downturn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social Media (which has gained popularity in the last few years) has never stared down an economic downturn, My CEO sees at least three to four quarters of reduced technology spending, and Chris Kenton sees even a more dire situation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Social Media (which has gained popularity in the last few years) has never stared down an economic downturn, My CEO sees at least three to four quarters of reduced technology spending, and Chris Kenton sees even a more dire situation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Sheridan</title>
		<link>http://www.chriskenton.com/2008/10/the-natural-selection-of-a-market-recession.html/comment-page-1#comment-1026</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting you mention F-Feed, because I see a rationalization of the endless stream of tools boiling down to three core areas of importance: those that help you listen, help you speak, and help you gauge the state of the communication.  It must progress to technology at a human conversation level; including virtual eye-contact and body language.

&quot;It&#039;s too hard to keep up , and becomes non-productive&quot; as one of the UXnet Board of Advisers said in a con-call earlier this week.  Ideas like F-feed, Ping.fm, etc are going in the right direction, I think. 

Technology needs to be smart enough to do the work understanding the ever-expanding conversations, but still make it increasingly easier for us humans to participate.

{Nice to virtually meet you, too.  But, I&#039;m a Canadian who used to live overseas.  The beer is colder here (^:= And as per our conv offline, keep havin&#039; fun!}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting you mention F-Feed, because I see a rationalization of the endless stream of tools boiling down to three core areas of importance: those that help you listen, help you speak, and help you gauge the state of the communication.  It must progress to technology at a human conversation level; including virtual eye-contact and body language.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s too hard to keep up , and becomes non-productive&#8221; as one of the UXnet Board of Advisers said in a con-call earlier this week.  Ideas like F-feed, Ping.fm, etc are going in the right direction, I think. </p>
<p>Technology needs to be smart enough to do the work understanding the ever-expanding conversations, but still make it increasingly easier for us humans to participate.</p>
<p>{Nice to virtually meet you, too.  But, I&#8217;m a Canadian who used to live overseas.  The beer is colder here (^:= And as per our conv offline, keep havin&#8217; fun!}</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John--Thanks for commenting. Sounds like you&#039;ve traveled many of the same trails. Jonathan Knowles, who commented on the last post on this topic is also a British transplant based in Canada, and New York. 

I agree with you about the rising importance of social media. We&#039;re grinding through a period of innovation that looks a lot like the late 90s. Things will start to settle down in terms of the basic tools, and we&#039;ll start building new networks on top them. FriendFeed is a great example, watching how that leveraged the popularity of Twitter, but added more conversational depth to the experience. It&#039;s going to be a fascinating few years ahead.

Pleased to make your acquaintance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211;Thanks for commenting. Sounds like you&#8217;ve traveled many of the same trails. Jonathan Knowles, who commented on the last post on this topic is also a British transplant based in Canada, and New York. </p>
<p>I agree with you about the rising importance of social media. We&#8217;re grinding through a period of innovation that looks a lot like the late 90s. Things will start to settle down in terms of the basic tools, and we&#8217;ll start building new networks on top them. FriendFeed is a great example, watching how that leveraged the popularity of Twitter, but added more conversational depth to the experience. It&#8217;s going to be a fascinating few years ahead.</p>
<p>Pleased to make your acquaintance.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sheridan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The larger the disruption, the greater the capacity for fundamental change.&quot;

I love that sentence.  I think that is the effect of the current climate that we can anticipate.

Living in Canada, as close allies &amp; partners of the U.S. we are inevitably affected by the U.S. economy.  Our financial system is structured quite differently (for better or worse), but we are so close in many ways, that U.S. waves do rock our boat.

An interesting effect of the current crisis is the reaction of those feeling the ripples further away.  I lived in the UK for a decade, and still keep a finger on their pulse.  It&#039;s curious to me, how the British are pinning their future position on the U.S. bailout.  Germany went further and called it a &quot;pre-condition&quot; to stability.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s fair, nor entirely accurate.  Europe has their own environment which significantly contributes to their own financial conditions.  As do Asia, Asia-Pac, Latin American, etc.

The end of your post has me in entire agreement - &quot;Communication has returned to a higher level of democratization. And now we’re seeing the media bubble burst, right at the same time we’re seeing a more acute economic bubble burst along with it.&quot;

First, the media and financial bubbles are different, as you point out.  In terms of marketing, I think the financial climate will actually help bolster the importance of online efforts, as organizations look to ensure that whatever they spend money on, is measurable in one way or another.  So, SocialRep is a good business to be in - keep the faith (^:=  

Second, the financial crisis is very personal and immediate to billions of people.  It is touching more people instantly, than any war, for example.  Social media will increase in importance as a tool for those demanding that &#039;fundamental change&#039;. We will soon see a start to the era of Norm Chomsky 2.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The larger the disruption, the greater the capacity for fundamental change.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love that sentence.  I think that is the effect of the current climate that we can anticipate.</p>
<p>Living in Canada, as close allies &amp; partners of the U.S. we are inevitably affected by the U.S. economy.  Our financial system is structured quite differently (for better or worse), but we are so close in many ways, that U.S. waves do rock our boat.</p>
<p>An interesting effect of the current crisis is the reaction of those feeling the ripples further away.  I lived in the UK for a decade, and still keep a finger on their pulse.  It&#8217;s curious to me, how the British are pinning their future position on the U.S. bailout.  Germany went further and called it a &#8220;pre-condition&#8221; to stability.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s fair, nor entirely accurate.  Europe has their own environment which significantly contributes to their own financial conditions.  As do Asia, Asia-Pac, Latin American, etc.</p>
<p>The end of your post has me in entire agreement &#8211; &#8220;Communication has returned to a higher level of democratization. And now we’re seeing the media bubble burst, right at the same time we’re seeing a more acute economic bubble burst along with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, the media and financial bubbles are different, as you point out.  In terms of marketing, I think the financial climate will actually help bolster the importance of online efforts, as organizations look to ensure that whatever they spend money on, is measurable in one way or another.  So, SocialRep is a good business to be in &#8211; keep the faith (^:=  </p>
<p>Second, the financial crisis is very personal and immediate to billions of people.  It is touching more people instantly, than any war, for example.  Social media will increase in importance as a tool for those demanding that &#8216;fundamental change&#8217;. We will soon see a start to the era of Norm Chomsky 2.0.</p>
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